Gary is a Bastard... Enough said? I don't think so. This page should start out small but with your help you can help it grow! There is a netizen out there named Gary McGath and he is a bastard. I've created this page instead of an enemies list so that other people will be able to see how much a FUCKING FAGGOT Gary McGath (gmcgath@mv.mv.com)

bas'tard n. an illegitimate child. -adj 1, of illegitimate bitrh. 2, spurious; impure.

If you have Gary related posts I don't already have please send them to me! I specifically want the ones where Gary shows his stupidity...


Cry me a river Gary!

Over a two-day period I received over 600 messages (actually, two distinct
messages repeated many times) from airmail.net, evidently the work of a
gang called "Dan and Scott's Phreak Army." (The second message
specifically denied being from the PA, but otherwise bore all its
earmarks.) Complaints to airmail.net are effectively useless. More
information later...
Does Gary get any nice mail?
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I don't come to this newsgroup to
read the rantings and ravings of a lunatic.  Over the past couple of days a user
Gary McGath (gmcgath@mv.mv.com) has polluted an otherwise spam free newsgroup with
ravings about some show that has attacked him.  Quite frankly I don't care!  If
he's getting attacked I don't want to hear about it.  I appologize for using an
off-topic post to attack another one.
Dan and Scott do a two hour radio comedy show as a cover for a gang?
Apparently Dan &  Scott get really angry when someone tells the truth
about their gang; and they haven't figured out that trying to 
intimidate me is only going to give me more material to report.

I should note that Dan &  Scott have disclaimed responsibility
for these E-mail attacks; but I consider this disclaimer implausible
in light of their earlier actions (including telephone harassment)
and the numerous links between the E-mail and D&S..
Phone harrasment my ass!
The latest was a batch of about 220 E-mail messages, which size 
information and a small sampling all indicate were identical. They
were sent from airmail.net, one of the chronic junk mail offenders
of the Net and particularly friendly toward anonymous forwarding.
The post makes reference to ttalk.com, which is the domain name
of Phreak Army spammer Ken Rutkowski, comes from an address
in Australia, and contains an otherwise insignificant news item,
real or invented, relating to Rutkowski. It also contains a return
address in Australia which is most likely made up; while I can easily
believe that people who mailbomb others in an effort to silence them
would be dumb enough to do that, it's more likely that they found
someone else they wanted to cause trouble.

Again; the way to clean up this cesspool of netslime is to put the
Dan &  Scott Show out of business. The way to put them out of business
is to make sure that as many people in Wisconsin as possible know 
that nconnect.net hosts them and ignore complaints about them, and
that these people DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH NCONNECT when choosing an
ISP. With no nconnect, or with one that recognizes them as a business
liability, there will be no Dan &  Scott Show. (airmail.net is in
the same category, but off topic for this newsgroup.)
Oh wow some lunatic doesn't want us to do buisness with Nconnect
Dan, Scott, Ken, Chad, Muerte, Spike, Gogman, Goober, Fender,
Otis, Roy, Nuisance, Lance, Milt, Cliff, Chester, Noisy,
Dave, Bomb, et al: It isn't working. The more you try these tactics,
the more you're cutting your own economic throat. Your underlings
or aliases are my primary source of new information on the Phreak
Army, and I will continue to report them here. Do nothing and I'll
have nothing to report.
The boys do a two hour show as a front, sure Gary
Again, my apologies for using this rather odd newsgroup. This is the
only Wisconsin newsgroup accessible to me, and my goal is to do
economic damage to nconnect.net by showing that it is a rogue ISP,
hosting a brain center (very loosely speaking) for a gang of E-mail
punks. The center is a Net broadcast called the "Dan &  Scott Show"; the
gang calls itself the "Phreak Army," or sometimes "Freak Army." A
search using Yahoo has turned up interesting new information about
them.

Ken Rutkowski is part of the Dan &  Scott team and may have the closest
Phreak Army connections. His "Tech Talk" home page reveals that the
Phreak Army is, at least in his view, the primary audience of the
broadcast:

> The Dan &   Scott Show, starring personalities Dan Schulz and Scott
> Wirkus, debuted in its audio format (via RealAudio) on April 1, 1996,
> making it the FIRST interactive comedy show on the internet. The show,
> broadcast [times omitted -- I'm not giving them advertising space :)],
> is closing in on its 100th episode. Further, it's not a 3-minute affair
> like some imitators, but a full two hours of call-ins, bandit-pop, real
> celebrity callers, IRC chatter, bits and routines featuring Dan, Scott,
> the Phreak Army (D &   S fans) and their bizarre cast of
> fictional characters...

(HTML emphasis is Rutkowski's)

I'm not giving URL's here, because I don't want to help publicize these
slimes in any way; but I'll respond to what look like legitimate E-mail
inquiries for documentation.

Have you heard anyone (in the 90's) use slime other than Gary?

Aside from this endorsement, the leaders try to keep a respectable
front, pretending to be running just an Internet alternative to
traditional broadcast comedy. But a look at other PA web pages reveals
more. Here is a direct quote from one of these pages, with HTML
stripped:

It's all a front Gary, that's it!

> LATEST TARGET FOR THE PHREAKS:
> NETCOM ISP! (do anything you like)
> 
> 
> Benefits of the Phreak Army:
> --> You get a cool Phreak Army Press Pass.
> --> Protection from assholes on the net.
> --> Always have something destructive to do.
> --> You getta run around town screaming incoherent babblings at the top 
> of your lungs, and people just nod knowingly in your direction.
> 
> 
> Qualifications of Phreak Army Members:
> --> Listen to D&S  show 3 times LIVE each week.
> --> Be just a little bit Phreaky in some way (have a talent).
> --> Have 3 testicles, or at least SAY you do (false testicles are  fine).
> --> You need to be at least 18 years old and legally responsible for y>
your actions.
> 
> 
..... 
> DISQUALIFICATIONS:
> --> Being a complete .
> --> Teasing General Dan about his weight, or diet.
> --> Being on the phone with the  D&S  show for too long while a higher
ranking Phreak Army officer is trying to get through with some Phreak
News!
> --> Giving away our secrets to the enemy!
> --> Getting a fellow Phreak Army Member in trouble with his ISP.

One might regard this as merely twisted humor; but having received a
series of annoying messages from PA members, been put on high-volume
mailing lists, and seen my ID forged on a message to a mailing list, I
can verify that these people are fully serious about wanting "something
destructive to do." (The above Web page is on radiks.net, not
nconnect.net; the radiks sysadmin responded with complete indifference,
ignoring my offer of additional documentation. But no one in Wisconsin
is likely to be subscribing to them, so ignore this rant for now.)

Another Phreak Army Web page has an "Enemies List" complete with
mailto HTML's for the convenience of the lowly lieutenants and captains,
including subject lines such as "You just suck!" and "damn netcom
sucks!" Amusingly, this person included an obsolete E-mail address
for netcom; these people are just as stupid as the street gangs they
try to emulate, but less physically imposing.

That's my webpage Gary better shut the FUCK up

Again, nconnect.net hosts the Dan &  Scott broadcasts;
   nconnect.net hosts their Web page;
   the consistent response of sysadmin Steve Wenger to my complaints has been to
    suggest that I change my E-mail address.

Well that would solve the problem wouldn't it Gary

There are other ISP's available who are much more reputable. Since the
Phreak Army is targeting Netcom for unknown and unstated reasons, you
might even consider doing business with Netcom rather than with the
slime-hosts at nconnect.
Chester's beautiful Response to Gary being a complete dick!
[This message is crossposted to all relevant groups. Although it is off-topic
in at least one, this post is intended to set the record straight and to allow
people to make their own decision on the issue.]

In message , Gary McGath wrote:

>Apparently Dan &  Scott get really angry when someone tells the truth
>about their gang; and they haven't figured out that trying to 
>intimidate me is only going to give me more material to report.

Dan &  Scott have nothing to do with this. The ONLY contact they have initiated
with you were two phone calls made in good nature to try to resolve the whole
situation.  I encourage any interested readers to listen to the show where Gary
was called yourself.  Go to www.audionet.com, click Listen, then click
"Archived Shows" and listen to the June 27th show.

During this show, Dan and Scott discuss the situation with Ken. Ken posted a
message in a newsgroup promoting his free Tech Talk newsletter (not selling
something, not a spam).  Gary McGath responded angrily to Ken via E-Mail,
demanding that Ken stop "spamming". Ken responded with the knee-jerk reaction
you'd have if out of the blue someone calls you a spammer.  Gary McGath
telephoned Ken at 4:00 AM.   By the time this show was set to air, Ken talked
with Dan and Scott and had asked them to try to help settle this dispute.

In the show, Dan and Scott call Gary.  Dan and Scott are very FRIENDLY in their
call, not harassing in any way, shape or form.  As soon as McGath realizes the
call is related to Ken, he threatens Dan and Scott with a telephone harassment
case.   Dan and Scott call Gary back immediately in a last-ditch attempt to try
to set things right, but McGath is non-receptive and downright rude.
Admittedly, in this show, Dan and Scott ask the Phreak Army to help.

On the June 28th show (the next night's show), Dan and Scott call off the
Phreak Army.  Dan and Scott's involvement in the whole matter ends there.  In
future shows, they have STRESSED the point that they do not want anything to be
done to Gary McGath.

Yet, Gary McGath refuses to acknowledge this and continues to attack the Dan
and Scott Show, when Dan &  Scott were only involved to try to clear up the
problem.

If you don't believe me, listen to the Dan &  Scott Show archives for yourself.
The show may seem a little smug at times, but remember, it's a COMEDY show, and
whenever McGath gets involved, Dan &  Scott get serious and strongly advise
AGAINST any action.

>I should note that Dan &  Scott have disclaimed responsibility
>for these E-mail attacks; but I consider this disclaimer implausible
>in light of their earlier actions (including telephone harassment)

The telephone harassment McGath speaks of here consists of the two phone calls,
which I implore you to listen to in the June 27th show, and listen to Dan &

Scott's lawyer on the June 28th show explain the legality of a telephone
harassment case.

>and the numerous links between the E-mail and D&S..

Dan &  Scott can't control what their listeners do, much less write in their
e-mail.  By targeting Dan &  Scott in a vicious campaign, McGath demonstrates
his disregard for justice for all, and his sole purpose: "Justice for McGath"

Before we get into the rest of McGath's post, allow me to give a short overview
of the events after the two calls by Dan &  Scott.

- Dan &  Scott call McGath twice to try to patch things up.
- The Phreak Army retailiates against McGath
- Dan &  Scott e-mail apologies to McGath
- McGath replys to the apology in kind, so the Army is called off.
[a few days pass]
- McGath, probably still suffering residuals from the Army attack, send e-mail
  to EVERY USER OF NCONNECT.NET, containing libelous information about nconnect
  and the Dan and Scott Show.
- Dan and Scott express disapproval, but advise listeners to stay out of it
- Nconnect considers a libel case against McGath, but drops it, figuring the
  legal battle isn't worth it.
[a couple weeks pass]
- Some listeners to D&S  notice some posts by McGath in various newsgroups
  attacking the Show and the Phreak Army.
[a week or two passes]
- As a result of listener urging, Dan &  Scott play some parodies involving
  Gary McGath. Purely out of comedy, it is a COMEDY show.
- Apparently, some listeners (Acting on their own) decide to harass McGath
  again. (this is where McGath seems to pick up in the next quote)
- McGath posts a slew of posts to usenet, badmouthing Ken, Dan, Scott, the
  Phreak Army, Tech Talk, and Nconnect.net

>The latest was a batch of about 220 E-mail messages, which size 
>information and a small sampling all indicate were identical. They
>were sent from airmail.net, one of the chronic junk mail offenders
>of the Net and particularly friendly toward anonymous forwarding.
>The post makes reference to ttalk.com, which is the domain name
>of Phreak Army spammer Ken Rutkowski, comes from an address
>in Australia, and contains an otherwise insignificant news item,
>real or invented, relating to Rutkowski. It also contains a return
>address in Australia which is most likely made up; while I can easily
>believe that people who mailbomb others in an effort to silence them
>would be dumb enough to do that, it's more likely that they found
>someone else they wanted to cause trouble.

Here, Gary McGath appears to be blaming Ken, simply because his domain,
ttalk.com, is mentioned in a piece of mail he gets from a person acting
completely on their own.

>Again; the way to clean up this cesspool of netslime is to put the
>Dan &  Scott Show out of business.

The real netslime here is Gary McGath.  The whole situation began because Gary
sent a nasty e-mail to Ken in an attempt to censor the Internet.

Also, Gary's rationale that Dan and Scott are somehow responsible for what's
happening now is flawed, as I demonstrated above with references for those who
care to check.

>The way to put them out of business
>is to make sure that as many people in Wisconsin as possible know 
>that nconnect.net hosts them and ignore complaints about them, and
>that these people DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH NCONNECT when choosing an
>ISP.

Actually, people tend to love the Dan and Scott show... it's benevolent.
I have yet to see a good-natured post from Gary McGath.

>With no nconnect, or with one that recognizes them as a business
>liability, there will be no Dan &  Scott Show. (airmail.net is in
>the same category, but off topic for this newsgroup.)

Dan and Scott are not a business liability to anyone other than Gary McGath.
Dan and Scott is almost definately the most popular show on Audionet... the
Audionet server that broadcasts the show gets maxed out quite often.. and this
is on Audionet, THE Broadcast Network on the Internet.
(And Gary, as far as being off-topic of the group, any posts you make to
wi.forsale and nh.general are off-topic.. who are you to talk?)

>Dan, Scott, Ken, Chad, Muerte, Spike, Gogman, Goober, Fender,
>Otis, Roy, Nuisance, Lance, Milt, Cliff, Chester, Noisy,
>Dave, Bomb, et al:

This is the main reason I decided to add my two cents here.  Gary, if you ever
mention me in a public post in a bad light, you better not expect me to sit by
and let you attack my person.  Wannabe net.cops like yourself can't stand a
rational arguement, and I seriously doubt if you'll ever reply to this message,
since everything in it is true, and facts that you have no rebuttal for.

>It isn't working. The more you try these tactics,
>the more you're cutting your own economic throat.

The Phreak Army has no economic throat.  The Dan and Scott Show is a labor of
love, and has NO income.  Tech Talk is heard by millions of people each week,
many of whom have never heard of Gary McGath, since he's NEVER been mentioned
on the show.

>Your underlings or aliases are my primary source of new information
>on the Phreak Army, and I will continue to report them here. Do nothing
>and I'll have nothing to report.

Every bit of "information" you've given is either

 A) Publicly available on one of our web sites,
 B) Single-sided rantings on how YOU feel,  and/or
 C) Off-topic for the group you posted it in.


In short, allow me to try to stress the point to everyone that Gary McGath is
totally off-base in his rants and raves. He brings on all the attacks he
receives... and NONE of these attacks have anything to do with The Dan and
Scott Show, Tech Talk, Nconnect or the Phreak Army.   The Phreak Army only
officially operates under command of Dan and Scott, and since they've advised
us to stay away, we offically stay away.   Gary is a wannabe net.cop and
net.censor ... nothing more. Attempts by me to contact him civilly via E-mail
have been ignored.  He simply WON'T talk civilly about it... he'll only give
one-sided views on the issues.

Gary, try to reply to this. I have yet to see you face a question about your
libellous accusations.